rome is responsible for 2 Holocausts/ participating the systematic, bureaucratic, state-sponsored persecution and murder of the early christians and then went on to join Hitler in WW 2 in the Holocaust of THE JEWS..

jews want nothing from Roman Tic Catholics who are an insult to the fabric all biblical truth / all historical moral value in concerns to The early Christians and the Jews up to the 20 th century.

but the smell of truth lingers in Catholicism’s documentation & the in lingering remain of rotten fruit

The catholic CULT indeed —- HAS NEVER ever….once ….!

.( in 1600 yrs.. of fake Christian roman –tic – ism , Allowed a single NON CATHOLIC Bible believer to enter in, into the gate of its heaven/.

There is not A SINGLE Non catholic saint ……Catholics teach…..If u aint CATHOLIC, U AINT IN HEAVEN

Their own fruit displays this for their own DOCUMENTED TEACHING LIVES ON…

reX will precede TO PRESENT THE FOLOWING FACTS…But these facts will not interest & will not alter or EVEN enter into the catholic mind, whom they will precede to read & JUST pass the proven facts like gass in the wind.

“ It is Necessary to salvation that every man should submit to the
Pope.”

(Boniface VIII Unum Sanctum, 1303.)

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Heretics CANNOT Gain ETERNAL LIFE Unless They GIVE UP THEIR FAITH & BE United With the CATHOLIC Church All …outside the catholic church, Jews or heretics…cannot share in eternal life ……

……and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church.

Pope Eugenius IV, in “Bull of Union with the Copts”, Council of Florence, Session 11, on February 4, 1442.

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‘Heretics / NOT MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ….. DO NOT HOLD TO CATHOLIC DOCTRINE) & worship a GOD WHO IS A LIAR, & CHRIST WHO IS A LIAR.’

St. Augustine, (quoted in ‘Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca’, by Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 42:207).
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MISGUIDED PEOPLE attempt TO PERSUADE themselves & others THAT MEN ARE NOT SAVED ONLY IN THE CATHOLIC RELIGION, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.’

Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio (On Mixed Marriages), Encyclical promulgated on May 27, 1832, #2.

‘HE who HAS NOT the Church for his Mother CANNOT have GOD as HIS FATHER.’

St. Cyprian: (Patrologiae Cursus Completus: Series Graca, Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 4:502)
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‘HERETICS do NOT have THE SAME GOD, the SAME CHRIST as CATHOLICS.’

Tertullian: (Patrolo-giae Cursus Completus: Series Graca, Fr. J. P. Migne, Paris: 1866, 1:1216)

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‘Any baptized PERSON who…obstinately DENIES or DOUBTS any of the truths PROPOSED for belief by divine & CATHOLIC FAITH, is a HERETIC.’

Canon 1324-1325 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/3543/heretic.htm

‘Whoever ‘obstinately’ DENIES these (Catholic) truths, the DOCTRINAL commentary of Pope John Paul II says, falls under the censure of HERESY.’ Our Sunday Visitor, Analysis, July 19, 1998.

Whosoever will DEPART { From the CATHOLIC Church } must NEEDS be FOUND with HERETICS.’

St. Cyprian, The Epistles of Cyprian, Epistle LXXIII, #11.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/PATRISTC/ANF5_8.TXT

this pretty much sums up catholic FAITH and eXplains wHy & hOw caTholicsim and iSlam has Thrived for all these centuries ..

Centuries of BLOOD~Shed, Manipulation & eNforced IGNORaNCE & violence and comPlete HELL and Nightmares for any who disagreed with these so called religions.

caTholicsim & iSlam boTh have orIginate from viOLence and Thirst for poWer & conTrol.

caTholicsim & iSlam boTh can bE yOur best frIend when they are not in the majOrity ….

BUT look at the countries and regions WHERE THEY ARE IN THE MAJORity …..

EVERY CATHOLIC *&* ISLAMIC CONTROLED REGIONA ON THE FAcE OF THE freaKin planet…..is a A filthy, disgusting, or morally corrupt LAND. …and a cesspool of slaverY AND SADNESS..

GOD BLESS AMERICA…WHERE ER CAN BE WHO WE CHOOSE WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT AND LYNCH MOBS….TRYING TO MANIPULATE OUR LIVES..

LETS WORK TOGETHER TO KEEP THE U.S.A.

OUR COUNTRY…..

LET US NOT E.V.E.R . FORGET

Add up the millions killed during the Napoleonic Wars (all Christian nations), WWI (started by Christian nations), WWII (UK, Germany, USA, all Christian nations – yes, the Nazis were Christians) and the US/UK invasions of Iraq in 1991 and 2003 and you’ll soon find that the numbers dwarf Stalin and Mao.

As I said earlier – the difference between Christianity, Atheism and Communism is that the last two don’t prescribe violence and intolerance, so you can’t really blame the atrocities committed by Stalin and Mao to the system of government or philosophy. Bad people who commit murder under secular or communist regimes do so because they are mad.

Christianity, however, has violence and intolerance at its core – read Matthew 25:41 and Matthew 13:49.

From the time the Christian church aligned itself with the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early 4th Century, right through to modern times, Christianity has been guilty of more intolerance and violence than any other belief system in human history.

Really. Don’t tell that to the millions that have perished under Stalin, Mao and in Cambodia and every other atheistic system known in the last century. The numbers from
1914-1980 far exceed anything your so called Christians ever dreamed of doing.
This from people who did not believe in invisible beings. They just used reason carried to its final conclusion.

Wouldn’t you agree that Atheism got off to a good start though under the Communism of Lenin and Mao?

Daniel – hehe yeah I seem to recall that.

The book I suggested is one of the most well thought out books I’ve encountered. It is culturally relevant in that it addresses many issues common today.

One book that Tim Keller does reference is Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

If you want a taste of what he says, then listen to a couple of the mp3 files on the site as it is the same material in the book.

Thanks,
Matthew Delves

The guy already has a huge credibility gap. That said, I would like to read a book that tries to justify Christianity. If anyone can recommend an intelligent one, I’d happily read it.

Thanks,
Matthew Delves

You don’t bother to explain why my slavery comment is idiotic? I was pointing out that not all ideas should be tolerated. I include Christianity (and all religions) in that category.

Sure – let’s discuss my moral compass or lack thereof. And then let’s compare it to the moral compass of a religion which has been used as the justification for the murder of millions of people over the last 1700 years, has held back scientific progress and continues, today, to tell people it’s okay to believe in fairy stories and ignore the evidence.

I love how you mention Christians and tolerance in the same sentence. The very essence of Christianity is INtolerance. Believe in Jesus or go to hell. That’s the key message of Christianity. Go ahead – tell me I’m wrong.

As for wishing I’d had a religious education – oh please. I had enough intelligence to walk away from my Catholic religion at the age of 8 when I heard the priest say “we are all born sinners”. What a dark, twisted and dangerous concept. And you think I secretly wished for another ten years of that kind of bizarre, demeaning teaching?

There is EVERYTHING wrong with believing in God. It does mean you are delusional. Believing something to be true, when there is zero evidence to support it, is the definition of delusional.

From Wikipedia: “Delusional disorder is a psychiatric diagnosis denoting a psychotic mental illness that involves holding one or more non-bizarre delusions in the absence of any other significant psychopathology (signs or symptoms of mental illness).

Indicators of a delusion

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.”

Sounds pretty right to me.

Wishing it was true or wanting it to be true – that’s one thing. Even saying it might be true, I could accept that. But believe it TO be true, despite the lack of evidence, is just stupid and dangerous.

If you want to debate me in future, at least have the decency and courage to use your name.

You are so disingenous, it verily defies description.

> If someone believes in slavery, should I be tolerant of that belief?

We are all aware of your high IQ as you include this in your profile, so why would you make such a patently idiotic comment?

How about this comment instead:

If my elderly parent goes to church to pray for the souls of lost loved ones, to pray for peace and to refresh the soul and self worth, then shall I call in Cameron Reilly to step in and destroy it?

That’s more to the point. As an atheist and someone who was not educated inside the religious based system, you have absolutely no idea what is truly involved. I am also an atheist, but I thank my religious education for giving me a moral compass.

Shall we discuss your moral compass (or lack thereof)?

Shall we discuss the size of the chip on your shoulder for not having had a private school/religious education…? Because I think that is the source of all of this faux rage. That’s pretty shallow and transparent- even for you.

Your absolute cowardice at attacking ALL religions is breathtakingly hyprocritcal. You are in effect playing on the tolerance of 99% of Christians. Christians were put to the lions once upon a time, now it seems they are put to the sword of a web startup CEO with delusions of grandeur. Have a crack at Islam once to show your balls.

There is nothing wrong with believing in God. It does not mean you are delusional, it simply means you wish for something more than we have her and now. One could argue you are deluisional for thinking TPN matters or makes a difference at all.

Get back to sorting out TPN- it’s more your thing.

1. Where is the list of good things that has been done in the name of Christianity which even comes close to comparing to the list of evil things?

2. Where is the evidence that disproves evolution?

3. Where is the evidence that science was “jump started” by Christianity instead of held back for 1000 years?

4. What makes you so sure that you have the authority to declare that 1700 years of Christian leaders weren’t true Christians? Do you somehow have a superior understanding of Christianity to the people who have built and run the religion for the last 1700 years?

The main reason for this long list of Christian crimes against humanity can be found inside the Christian bibles (OT and NT). They are inherently violent and intolerant books. They both declare that anyone who doesn’t bow down before their murderous, vengeful god should spend eternity in torture – “hell”. The very basis of the religion is “you’re either with us or you’re in hell”. That is the very essence of intolerance.